# Broccoli 從承包商漏接電話找到 AI 前台切入點

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> 原作者：ycombinator (@ycombinator) · 策展與摘要：EasyVibeCoding · 平台：X (Twitter) · 熱度：🔥🔥 · 日期：2026-10-31

> 原始來源：https://x.com/ycombinator/status/2115884139346067827

## 證據與延伸閱讀

- [# Broccoli 從承包商漏接電話找到 AI 前台切入點](https://x.com/ycombinator/status/2115884139346067827) — 一手來源 · 最後核對：2026-10-30 · 支持主張：YC 貼文描述 Broccoli 的 AI 前台產品、服務客戶數與預約工作的年化 run rate，並稱公司預期年底 ARR 超過 6,000 萬美元；貼文也摘要創辦團隊從電動車新創轉向家居服務、走訪承包商並在水管公司找到產品切入點。訪談轉錄進一步記錄創辦人對承包商漏接來電、早期試用方式與技術員未來應用的回憶和看法。

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## 中文摘要

# Broccoli 從承包商漏接電話找到 AI 前台切入點

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![家居維修技師的來電流向 Broccoli AI 前台，連到接聽、跟進潛在客戶、安排預約與語音文字通道；右側列出 YC 貼文轉述的 500+ 家客戶、預約工作年化 run rate > US$1B、預期年底 ARR > US$60M，並標明預約金額非公司營收、ARR 為預期值及數據未獨立核實。](https://pub-75d4fe1e4e80421b9ecb1245a7ae0d1a.r2.dev/curated/local-curation-v2/local-curation-selected-round20-selected24-batch4-20261030/round20-2115884139346067827/v2/overview.png)
> Broccoli AI 前台的工作與 YC 貼文轉述的規模指標；預約工作金額不等於公司營收，ARR 是預期值，數字未獨立核實。
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Y Combinator 發布的訪談中，Broccoli 共同創辦人回顧團隊如何從電動車新創轉向家居服務，並以 AI 接聽電話、跟進潛在客戶和安排預約。這段歷程的關鍵，是他們先走進承包商的工作現場，找到漏接來電可能流失客戶的問題，再從較低風險的用途開始測試產品。

## 從電動車轉向承包商，先問問題有多重要

創辦人說，團隊先做電動車相關的 API，後來發現市場需求沒有形成足夠的進展。這段經驗讓他們在尋找下一個方向時，設定兩個判準：市場一開始就要夠大，而且要解決客戶最迫切的問題。

他們花了兩個月走訪灣區承包商，訪談約 140 人，也跟著技術人員參加培訓、到工作現場觀察。創辦人回憶，起初直接上門推銷 AI 方案並不奏效；改以學生身分請教店主，才更容易聽到他們如何經營、遇到什麼麻煩。這些訪談讓團隊注意到一個具體情境：辦公室人員通常下午四、五點下班，但緊急報修電話可能在任何時間打來。

## 漏接電話為何成為切入點

依創辦人在訪談中的描述，承包商會使用外包接聽服務，也可能讓電話進語音信箱。若客戶沒有得到回覆，可能改找另一位水電工，或上 Google、Yelp 搜尋。對承包商而言，漏接電話就可能讓潛在客戶流失；但把 AI 直接當成全面替代方案，也不是團隊一開始採取的方式。

創辦人說，他們先了解店家正在用什麼方式處理來電，再向其中一位業主展示語音代理。對方提出的早期用途，是讓 AI 打電話確認預約；團隊從這類用途開始，之後進駐店內，了解既有客服腳本並串接 CRM。訪談中他們回憶，最初只在下午五點到七點接聽來電，並監看每一通電話。這是他們描述的早期試用過程，不代表所有承包商都採用相同流程。

Broccoli 現在的產品定位，是替家居服務業者處理前台工作：接聽來電、跟進潛在客戶並安排預約，支援語音和文字。它將幾項原本由前台或接聽服務承擔的工作放在同一個服務流程中。

![AI 前台連接四項工作：接聽來電、跟進潛在客戶、安排預約及支援語音與文字；圖下注明各客戶設定與流程可能不同。](https://pub-75d4fe1e4e80421b9ecb1245a7ae0d1a.r2.dev/curated/local-curation-v2/local-curation-selected-round20-selected24-batch4-20261030/round20-2115884139346067827/v2/inline-front-desk.png)

> Broccoli 的 AI 前台產品描述涵蓋來電、潛在客戶跟進、預約與語音文字渠道，實際設定與流程可能因客戶而異。

## 成長數字要分清楚衡量什麼

YC 貼文稱，Broccoli 當時服務超過 500 家客戶，為客戶預約工作的年化 run rate 超過 10 億美元，並預期年底 ARR 超過 6,000 萬美元。這些數字是貼文轉述的公司說法；預約工作的年化金額是客戶端工作金額，不是 Broccoli 的營收，而年底 ARR 是預期值，並非已確認的年度結果。

![三張等尺寸卡片列出 YC 貼文轉述的 500+ 家客戶、預約工作年化 run rate > US$1B、預期年底 ARR > US$60M；註明數字未獨立核實、預約金額不是公司營收、ARR 為預期值。](https://pub-75d4fe1e4e80421b9ecb1245a7ae0d1a.r2.dev/curated/local-curation-v2/local-curation-selected-round20-selected24-batch4-20261030/round20-2115884139346067827/v2/inline-metrics.png)

> YC 貼文轉述的三項規模指標；數字未獨立核實，預約金額不是公司營收，ARR 為預期值。

訪談也談到創辦人對技術員工作的想像：他們認為 AI 未來可能協助現場診斷與查找設備資訊，甚至縮短成為熟練技術員所需的時間。這是創辦人對未來的看法；訪談沒有提供已部署工具或實測結果來證明這項改變已經發生。

從訪談呈現的路徑來看，Broccoli 的切入點不是先替 AI 找用途，而是先理解承包商怎麼處理來電、在哪些時段容易漏接，再從一項較小的任務開始嘗試。這也說明了為什麼團隊把現有產品聚焦在前台工作，同時把技術員現場工作的改變留作未來方向。

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> YC 主持人與 Broccoli 共同創辦人回顧團隊如何從電動車新創轉向服務承包商，並談及 AI 前台及未來協助技術人員的工具。

## 媒體內容

**YC 主持人與 Broccoli 共同創辦人回顧團隊如何從電動車新創轉向服務承包商，並談及 AI 前台及未來協助技術人員的工具。**

**逐字稿**

- `00:04` 我真的很期待和你們聊聊，因為這是你們第一次公開談論（I'm really excited to talk to you guys because it's the first time you're talking publicly about）
- `00:08` 你們正在做的事，而且你們是非常、非常成功的 YC 公司。我一直很期待（what you're doing and you're a very, very successful YC company. I've been looking forward）
- `00:12` 這場對談已經很久了。我認識你們超過四年，也看過（to this conversation for a long time. I've known you for over four years and I've seen）
- `00:18` 你們這四年來做的所有事情，也知道 Broccoli 有多麼令人驚豔。（all what you've been working on in those four years and how incredibly impressive Broccoli is.）
- `00:23` 說真的，其他人都不知道。和其他公司相比，你們一直相當低調。（The truth is nobody else knows. You've been very much under the radar compared to other companies.）
- `00:27` 所以我很高興能參與這件事，讓大家知道你們在做什麼。也許我們可以先從（So I'm just really stoked to be part of putting this out in the real world. Maybe we can start）
- `00:34` 細節和這段漫長歷程之前，請先跟我介紹一下 Broccoli。它是什麼？（with, before we get into all the details and the long story, just tell me about Broccoli. What is）
- `00:39` Broccoli 現在在做什麼？你們公司目前發展到哪裡？你們人在哪裡？Broccoli 現在會自動處理客戶的（Broccoli today and where is your company today? Where are you? So Broccoli today automates their）
- `00:43` 整個前台業務。AI 會接聽客戶來電、跟進潛在客戶，（entire front office. So the AI answers all their customer calls, follows up on leads,）
- `00:50` 安排預約，並透過語音、文字和簡訊提供這些服務。目前我們服務（schedules those appointments, and we do this across voice, text, and SMS. Today we serve）
- `00:57` 超過 500 位客戶。上週我們剛得知一項數據，按照目前的預約速度，（over 500 customers. And we just got this stat last week where we are booking at like the run rate）
- `01:04` 我們的 AI 為客戶預約的工作，年化金額已超過十億美元。所以 Broccoli 現在為客戶帶來這麼多（for our AI book jobs is at over a billion dollars for our customers. So Broccoli is booking that much）
- `01:11` 營收，而且成長非常驚人。我們預計今年底（revenue for our existing customers today. And the growth has been phenomenal. We are going to end the）
- `01:18` 年度經常性收入會超過六千萬美元。我們正在加速成長。過去兩年我們的營收都是零，（year at over 60 million of ARR. So we're accelerating. And the last two years we were at zero dollars in）
- `01:25` 而今年底會超過六千萬。哇。對。我們大概會聊聊（revenue and we'll end the year at over 60 million. Wow. Yeah. Like basically we'll talk about sort of）
- `01:31` 這一切是怎麼開始的。你們在 2024 年搬到灣區，從那時起到你們確定這個點子，脈絡相當清楚，（like how this all started. You moved to the Bay Area in 2024 and there's like pretty clear straight）
- `01:38` 但在那之前還有一段漫長歷程。我們就從（line from when you settle on this idea. But there was a long journey prior to that. Let's just start）
- `01:43` 最一開始談起。你們申請過 YC 三次，也以不同的點子面試過（from the very beginning. You guys applied to YC three different times, interviewed three different）
- `01:48` 三次。最後你們以 Telematica 獲得錄取。跟我們聊聊 Telematica（times with different ideas. And then you finally got accepted with Telematica. Tell us what Telematica）
- `01:54` 是什麼，以及你們是怎麼開始做的？我們在大學時認識，宿舍就在（was and like how do you guys get started with this? We met in college. We had our dorms right next to）
- `02:00` 彼此隔壁。從大二開始，我們就一直一起嘗試不同的點子，（each other. And we have been working on different ideas right from our second year in college, like）
- `02:06` 也就是大學二年級。我們最初做的是一個很簡單的校園在地外送 App，（sophomore year in college. We started out with a very simple local delivery app inside the college campus）
- `02:13` 就在校園裡。很典型的那種。我們被禁止了，不能收款，也有很多事不能做，（itself. Just a classic. We got banned. We could not take payments. We could not do a lot of things）
- `02:21` 因為那些事情直接被認定為違法。不過這讓我們很快就開始嘗試。無論（because they were just deemed illegal outright. But that just gave us a quick start. Like whatever）
- `02:27` 他在做什麼，我都會參與；我在做什麼，他也會參與，（he was trying, I was involved in that. Whatever I was trying, he was kind of involved in that every）
- `02:33` 每一次都是這樣。所以從 2017 年起，我們就一直在嘗試各種點子。你們讀的是哪所大學？（time. So right from 2017, we have been working on one or the other ideas. Which college should you guys）
- `02:41` 我們來自印度的 BITS Pilani。對，最初三年我們都在做一些事情。（go to? We are from Bits Bilani in India. So yeah, we worked on something for the first three years. And）
- `02:49` 後來 COVID 疫情爆發時，我因為在西班牙做研究實習，一度被困在那裡。（then when COVID struck, I was stuck in Spain for some time because I was there for a research internship.）
- `02:57` 那段期間，我們決定一起做教育科技的點子，並經營了大約三年。（During that time, we decided to work on this ed tech idea together. And we ran that for about three）
- `03:03` 我們就是做那個時認識 Gustaf 的。我記得面試後接到一通追蹤電話，（years. That's where we met Gustav for the first. I remember having a follow up phone call from the）
- `03:08` 對。對方就說：「你們很棒，但你們確定要做（interview. Yeah. And just be like, you guys are great. But like, are you sure you're working on）
- `03:12` 這個點子嗎？」沒錯。我當時是在暗示，也許不一定。對，對。我們做了（this idea? Exactly. I was like trying to hint that like, maybe not. Yeah. Yeah. We worked on）
- `03:17` 那個點子一年半。結果 Gustaf 或 Oracle 說的話應驗了。我們（that for one and a half years. And Gustav's or Oracle's words came out to be true. Like we）
- `03:22` 沒辦法把它規模化，要擴大真的很困難。所以我們決定收掉，花了整整三個（could not scale it. It was just very hard to scale. So we decided to shut that down, spent a good three）
- `03:28` 月休息。但我們很確定自己一定會再創業。所以我們有一套（months taking a break. But we were very determined that we will start something for sure. So we had this）
- `03:35` 很棒的想法：對我們來說，這沒有什麼損失。挑個點子，花三個月去做；（amazing framework that there is no losses as such for us. Let's pick an idea, work on it for three）
- `03:42` 如果行不通，就轉做下一個點子。我們可以一直這樣做，（months. If it does not work out perfect, move on to the next idea. Like we can keep on doing that for）
- `03:47` 未來十年都沒關係，我們不在乎。令人意外的是，我們選的第一個點子（the next 10 years. We don't care. So surprisingly, the first, the very first idea that we chose）
- `03:54` 就是 Telematica，因為當時電動車在印度才剛開始興起，而我們很擅長（was telematica because EVs were just starting to become a thing back in India. And we were just good）
- `04:00` 軟體。那麼，對於一個非常仰賴硬體的領域，（at software. So what is the intersection of something which is very hardware driven, but）
- `04:05` 我們又擅長軟體，兩者的交集會是什麼？答案就是電動車 API。所以我們就從這個方向開始。（we are good at software? It was just APIs for electric vehicles. So we started out with that.）
- `04:10` 我們整理出一些使用情境，並在這個點子成形後的頭 25 天內申請了 YC。（We established some use cases and applied for YC in the first 25 days of the inception of the idea.）
- `04:17` 我們和你聊過，後來也進了 YC，也因此接觸到 Telematica。（And we had a conversation with you. We got in and that's how we came across telematica.）
- `04:21` 了解，了解。不過電動車在印度的市場仍然很小。（Got it, got it. But EVs were still very small in India.）
- `04:25` 在美國，市場雖然正在成長，但規模也還不大。印度是發展（In the US, it was still kind of, it was growing, but still small. Was India the right place to build）
- `04:32` Telematica 的合適地點嗎？簡單說，不是。因為我們進入 YC 後大約四個月，（telematica? Like the short answer is no, because as soon as we got into YC, after like four months,）
- `04:38` 就搬了出去，搬到倫敦。印度是個很好的起點，但當時市場還不（we moved out and we moved to London. So India was a great starting point, but the market was still not）
- `04:44` 夠大，而且我們想開發的使用情境根本不存在。結果證明（big enough. And the use cases that we were trying to build just did not exist. So it turned out that）
- `04:51` 印度並不是最適合我們起步的市場。你們怎麼決定去倫敦的？那真是（India was not the best market for us to start. How did you decide to go to London? It's like,）
- `04:55` 很不容易，路途也很遙遠。對。而且在創辦這家公司以前，我從來沒出過國，（that's not good. That's a long, long journey. Yeah. And I never had traveled outside the country）
- `05:01` 所以事情是這樣的：我們宣布加入 YC 之後，（before we started this company. So what happened was like, we announced that we were part of YC.）
- `05:07` 就開始有來自世界各地的人聯絡我們。我們收到很多（And then you get out, like you get people reaching out to you from across the world. So we had a lot of）
- `05:13` 歐洲能源公司的聯繫，他們問：「嘿，我可以用你們的 API 連接（European energy companies reaching out to us and telling us that, hey, can I use your API to connect）
- `05:19` Tesla 或 BMW 嗎？」我們覺得這很有意思，就請他們多說一些。（to a Tesla or a BMW? And we were like, that's pretty interesting. Tell us more about this.）
- `05:24` 於是我們第一次出遠門。Demo Day 一結束，我們就募到種子輪資金，接著前往（So we made our first trip. Just as soon as demo day ended, we raised a seat around and we traveled）
- `05:29` 挪威待了兩個月。我們在那裡拜訪了二十多家公司，接觸到他們的使用情境，（to Norway for two months. We met over 20 companies there, and then we were exposed to their use cases,）
- `05:36` 我們覺得那些情境有趣得多，因為他們當時正在設法解決（which we thought were much more interesting as they were trying to figure out a solution there）
- `05:41` 過去兩年來遇到的問題；相較之下，在印度沒有人在思考我們想要（over the last two years versus back in India. No one was thinking about the use cases that we were）
- `05:46` 開發的那些使用情境。於是我們做了決定，兩個月後回來，接著在（trying to build towards. So we then decided and we came back after two months. And then within a）
- `05:50` 一個月內決定要結束營運。當時所謂的營運，基本上就是我們（month, we took the call that we are going to shut down operations. And operations was basically us）
- `05:55` 住在班加羅爾的一間 Airbnb。然後我們搬到了倫敦。接著我們大部分時間都在（staying in an Airbnb in Bangalore. And then we moved to London. And then we were just spending）
- `06:00` 旅行。看來搬去不同地方好像成了一種模式（majority of our time traveling. It seems like a pattern moving to）
- `06:04` 搬到挪威；當時挪威仍然是全球電動車普及率最高的國家，也就是（moving to Norway, which is at the time is still is the number one EV country in the world, like the）
- `06:08` 電動車普及率最高的地方。挪威的人都跟你們說，他們遇到什麼問題，想要（highest penetration of EVs. What kind of problems were people describing to you in Norway that they）
- `06:13` 請你們幫忙？對，有好幾種。最大的問題基本上是，他們不只是在使用更多電動車（wanted you help with? Yeah, several. And the biggest problem was basically they were not just using more EVs）
- `06:19` 或採用更多電動車，也同時在採用再生能源和潔淨能源（or they were not just adopting more EVs, but they were also adopting renewable energy and clean energy）
- `06:24` 來源。而且你無法在電網層級儲存能源，所以要管理能源是一個很具挑戰性的問題（sources. And you can't store energy on a grid level. So it was a very challenging problem to manage the energy）
- `06:32` 供應與能源需求。因此他們的使用情境主要是需求響應，也就是根據能源產量（supply with the energy demand. So their use case was more around demand response. So based on how much energy）
- `06:39` 有多少來自風能和太陽能，來管理能源消耗。我們的 API（is being produced through wind and solar, you want to also manage your energy consumption. And our APIs）
- `06:46` 可以幫助這些公司停止某個特定區域內，例如一千輛車的電動車充電（could help these companies shut down EV charging for, let's say, a thousand vehicles in a particular）
- `06:52` 如果那天晚上風力不足的話。這就是主要的使用情境，基本上就是（district if you don't have enough wind that night. So that is the primary use case. Basically like）
- `06:58` 根據能源價格低廉的時段動態調整電動車充電。沒錯。對，消費者可以受惠於（dynamic EV charging based on when energy is cheap. Correct. Yeah. Like the consumer gets the benefits of）
- `07:04` 在有利於電網的時候用電。對，而且公用事業公司會補償（using energy when it's favorable for the grid. Yeah. And the utility companies are going to compensate）
- `07:09` 消費者。為什麼這行不通？這是個很好的問題。即使到了今天，我們所有人都覺得（the consumers. Why did this not work? That is a great question. And we all of us, like even today,）
- `07:16` 這個想法很出色，堪稱世界級。但如果從消費者的角度來看經濟效益（this idea sounds brilliant. Like this is world class. But if you look at the economics from a consumer）
- `07:22` 一年大概只省五十美元。要有人遠端控制你的充電，這點節省並不足以讓人心動（point of view, you're saving maybe 50 bucks a year. It's not exciting enough when somebody is going to）
- `07:27` 而且你隔天還得去上班，結果卻發現沒有（remotely control your charging and you want to go to office next day, but then turns out there was not）
- `07:33` 足夠的風力發電。所以你的特斯拉沒充好電，害你得請假不上班。這要痛苦得多（enough wind energy. So your Tesla is not charged and you need to miss work. That's much more painful）
- `07:39` 比起一年省五十美元。對，所以消費者採用率不夠高。我們的客戶當中，沒有任何一家（than $50 a year. Yeah. So there was not enough adoption from the consumer level. So none of our）
- `07:44` 能源公用事業公司能讓他們推行的這些方案取得任何進展（customers who were these energy utilities could get any traction with these programs that they were）
- `07:49` 因此，我們的 API 始終沒有實際使用量，因為這個商業使用情境（trying to build, which in turn, we never saw the usage for our APIs because of the business use case）
- `07:57` 並不存在。明白了。好，那接下來呢？你們發現這件事之後會怎麼做？（not being there. Got it. Okay. So what happens? What do you guys do when you realize this,）
- `08:01` 發現這個市場的痛點不夠嚴重，得另想辦法時，你們會怎麼做？（this thing is like the pain is not severe enough in this market that we have to do something else?）
- `08:08` 對。我覺得這件事很有意思，事後回頭看，我可以談談這件事。就是說，（Yeah. And I think that's, it's a very interesting, like in hindsight, I can talk about that. Like,）
- `08:13` 對，事後看其實很明顯，但身在其中時，你會覺得也許下一筆大（yeah, it was pretty obvious, but when you're doing that, it's like, you feel like maybe the next big）
- `08:19` 生意就能解決所有問題。只要我拿下這家大型公用事業公司。對。而且你也已經（deal is going to solve all of this. If I get this big utility company. Yeah. And then also you've）
- `08:24` 募到資金了，像我們參加過 YC。這會讓你覺得，投資人一定看到了（raised capital, like we went through YC. So it makes you feel like, oh, the investors have seen）
- `08:30` 這個領域有什麼機會。所以你會逼自己繼續追這個想法。但現在我們知道（something in this space. So it makes you force yourself to pursue that idea. But now we know that）
- `08:36` 投資人把資金交給你們這些創辦人，是讓你們了解這個市場，然後（investors are giving you the capital to you as founders to learn about this market and then）
- `08:42` 找出接下來該怎麼走，而不是硬要讓最初的想法成功。當你發現（figure out the next steps instead of trying to make the initial idea work. How did it feel to realize）
- `08:48` 你們追求了一年半、兩年的事情行不通時，感覺如何？不是，我想應該有兩年半了。（the thing you've been pursuing for a year and a half, two years? Wasn't, I think two and a half years.）
- `08:52` 它不會是我們要做成的事。我們當時團隊很精簡，而我們從中學到的一點是（Wasn't going to be the thing. It was, we were quite lean. And one of our learnings was this from）
- `08:59` 從 Telematica 的經驗中明白，你得弄清楚自己解決的問題對客戶有多重要。（telematica that you have to see how important the problem that you're solving is to your customers.）
- `09:07` 當然，對你自己來說，那會是最重要的問題；但它是不是你的客戶（Of course, it will be the most important problem to you, but is it the top most priority for your）
- `09:12` 最優先要處理的事？如果它只排在第五位，或許就不是你應該（customers? If it's the fifth top most priority, probably it's not something that you should be）
- `09:18` 解決的問題。你可以問問前三大優先事項是什麼。對。這也是我們選擇（solving. Like ask for what are the top three. Yeah. And that was one of the guiding principles）
- `09:22` Broccoli 要做什麼時的一項指導原則。那後來怎麼了？（for how we chose what to work on for broccoli. So what happened?）
- `09:28` 對。不過問題其實也包括，這件事讓我們有什麼感受？（Yeah. But like, the question was also like, how did it make us feel?）
- `09:32` 對。我覺得這真的很艱難。就是我們，（Yeah. And I think it was, it is really challenging. Like we,）
- `09:37` 我還記得有一個時刻，我們最初的一位（like, I still remember a moment when one of our initial）
- `09:40` 天使投資人在轉型期間打電話給我們說，（angel investors had called us and said, like during the pivot phase,）
- `09:43` 嗯，你們乾脆把資金退回去，找份正經工作。之後或許再回來（um, like you should just return capital and get real jobs. And then maybe you should come back and）
- `09:49` 做這件事。於是我們休息了兩天，當時我們一直在想，我們真的是最適合（do this. And, and we had to take a break, like for two days where we were like, are we the best）
- `09:56` 創業的人嗎？也許我們從來沒做過什麼真正的（people to build a business? Maybe we've never done any real.）
- `09:59` 對。（Yeah.）
- `10:00` 工作，所以我們沒有什麼個人問題，因為我們所有的個人煩惱都只是（work in our lives so we don't have any personal problems because all our personal problems were）
- `10:04` 大學生的煩惱。我會說那真的壓力很大，不過，嗯，我想（college student problems so i would say it was like really stressful but then um i think）
- `10:09` 我們靠著毅力堅持下去，心裡想著，嗯，問題不在我們，而在市場；如果我們（perseverance around like we just thought like um we it's not us like it was the market and if we）
- `10:17` 專注解決客戶最痛的問題，或許，或許隧道盡頭會有一線光明（focus on solving our customers most painful problems uh maybe maybe there's light at the）
- `10:23` 這就是當時最初的想法，也幫助我們度過了轉型期。而且（end of the tunnel was the initial mindset so that helped us go through the pivot phase as well and）
- `10:28` 正如 Adi 提到的，我們很專注於仍在服務的客戶，所以我們沒有（as adi mentioned we were very focused on the customers we were still serving so we are not）
- `10:32` 去做什麼 AI CRM，因為那並不是完全不同的想法。所以在轉型期間（doing like an ai crm because like it is not a completely different idea so during the pivot phase）
- `10:38` 我們專注於原本服務的客戶。當時有三類客戶，第一類（then we focused on the customers we were serving so there were like three type of customers one）
- `10:43` 是能源公用事業公司，第二類是電氣承包商，第三類是車隊營運商（were energy utilities second were electrical contractors and the third were fleet operators）
- `10:48` 於是，在我們服務的三類客戶當中，我們選擇承包商作為要進入的市場（so then out of the three customers that we were serving we chose contractors uh as the market we）
- `10:54` 因為我個人比較喜歡向業主和承包商銷售，而不是向產品（wanted to go after because uh i personally loved selling to owners and contractors versus a product）
- `11:00` 經理推銷，尤其是在一家有五千人的 PG&E 之類的公司。對，這是我的個人偏好：嘿，我（manager at a 5 000 person pg any kind of a company yeah so that was my personal bias that like hey i）
- `11:07` 很樂意向這群客戶銷售。然後在選擇下一個想法之前，我們有兩項標準（would love to sell to this customer base and then we had like two criteria before we chose the next idea）
- `11:13` 第一項是——這些都是我們從 Telematica 學到的——我們希望一開始就進入（the first one was and all of these were learnings from telematica the first was we wanted to go after）
- `11:18` 一個龐大的市場，而不是一個未來可能會成長的市場。當然，市場（a massive market from day one not a market that's potentially going to grow of course the market）
- `11:24` 市場可以成長，但從第一天起就必須夠大。第二件事是，我們想解決（should grow but it should be big enough from day one and the second thing was we wanted to solve）
- `11:29` 客戶最痛的問題，不是第三重要或第四重要的問題，而是最痛的那個。所以我們選擇了（our customers most painful problem not the third not the fourth the most painful problem so we chose）
- `11:35` 承包商作為目標市場，因為這是個龐大的市場。ServiceTitan 是這個領域領先的 CRM 公司，（contractors as that market because it's a massive market service titan is a leading crm company in the）
- `11:42` 營收超過十億美元，而且最近已經上市。但接下來的問題是：（space they do over a billion in revenue and have recently went public but then the next thing was like）
- `11:48` 他們現在最痛的問題是什麼？我記得我們有一次 office hour，那是五月（now what's their most painful problem and then i remember we we had an office hour this was may）
- `11:54` 2024 年。我們當時在聊接下來要做什麼，然後我們說：「嘿，我們正在（2024 and then we were just talking about what we are doing next and then we share like hey we're）
- `11:58` 考慮這個市場，也正在 LinkedIn 上聯絡一些人，做客戶訪談。」（thinking about this market and i'm reaching out to people on linkedin to do some customer discovery）
- `12:03` 然後你就跟我們說：「各位，哪種承包商會混 LinkedIn？」就像他說的，你（and then you told us that guys like what kind of contractor hangs out on linkedin like he said you）
- `12:10` 告訴我們：「我會直接一家一家拜訪，在兩週內和灣區所有承包商聊過。」（told us like i would just go door to door and speak with all the contractors in the bay area within）
- `12:15` 這樣你們就能知道有沒有值得繼續做的方向。」我們覺得這主意（two weeks and then you'll figure out if there's something worth pursuing or not and we're like sounds）
- `12:20` 不錯，接下來兩週我們就照做了。猜猜怎麼著？一次都沒聊成。發生什麼事了？（good and we did this for the next two weeks and guess what we had zero conversations what happened）
- `12:26` 我是說，這真的很不可思議。你跟我們說：「嘿，兩週內你們應該已經（i mean like it was just so crazy where you had told us like hey within two weeks you should have）
- `12:31` 跟所有人都聊過了。」而我們當時坐在奧克蘭，嗯，在星期一下午一點的停車場裡，心想：（spoken to everyone and we were sitting in oakland um we were in a parking lot monday 1 p.m we're like）
- `12:37` 為什麼我們就是約不到這些對話？對，後來我才發現我們的行為像業務員（why are we not getting these conversations yeah and then i realized that we were acting like salesmen）
- `12:42` 一樣，一上來就很熱切地說：「嘿，我們是舊金山的新創創辦人，要替你們打造（we were coming in hot saying like hey we're startup founders in san francisco we're going to build）
- `12:48` AI 解決方案。」那位水電師傅手上真的拿著幾樣東西，然後他（ai solutions for you and this plumber literally had like a couple of things in his hand and he）
- `12:53` 真的就說：「現在馬上給我滾出這間辦公室。」還有人直接把門對著我們（literally like get the fuck out of this office right now and somebody had shut the door on our）
- `12:58` 關上了。這些事當天才剛發生。他們常常會被業務員煩到嗎？（faces as well like this had just happened that day do they get do they get like bothered by salespeople）
- `13:04` 很常嗎？喔，會啊，因為這個行業裡總有人在推銷保險。那時大概也是兩年前（a lot oh yeah because this industry like people are selling insurance this was also like two years ago）
- `13:09` 那時服務業裡的 AI 還是……你不會想看到有人把 AI 帶進我的（when in the service industry ai was like the you don't you don't see that if you bring ai in my）
- `13:15` 生意裡，「滾出去！」這是家族經營的生意，諸如此類。所以我們就是一直（business like get get out this is a family run business and all of this so we were just getting）
- `13:20` 完全聊不成。對，後來我在停車場裡想到，（zero conversations yeah and then i realized we were sitting in this parking lot and like）
- `13:24` 就連在 LinkedIn 上，我也從不說自己在推銷東西。我會說：「嘿，我正在試著（even on linkedin i used to never say that i'm selling something i used to say that hey i'm trying）
- `13:29` 做這個專案，很希望聽聽你的見解和建議。」那是我們最初的聯絡方式。對，也許我們（to work on this project i'd love to get your insights and advice that was our initial outreach yeah we maybe）
- `13:36` 低估了承包商，以為他們會很樂意和 AI 新創創辦人聊天。所以我們就（underestimated a contractor and we thought that they love talking to an ai founder so what we did was）
- `13:42` 改變了做法，把包包丟進車裡，什麼筆電都沒帶，就去了下一家（like we pivoted we dropped our bags in the car did not take a laptop anything went to the next）
- `13:48` 水管工程行，大約是下午三點。我們和老闆握手，接著自我介紹（plumbing shop at around 3 p.m and then we shake hands with the owner and then we introduce ourselves）
- `13:54` 說：「嘿，我們是學生，只是想多了解一下家族經營的水管工程（as like hey we are students and we're here just to learn a bit more about family-owned plumbing）
- `13:59` 行業。」然後問：「您方便和我們聊一分鐘嗎？」大家都很歡迎我們，也都想聊聊（businesses do we have a minute to talk to us and everyone's like welcome and everyone wants to talk）
- `14:05` 自己的生活，聊他們的爸爸如何創辦這門生意，以及他們如何度過疫情（about their lives and how their dad started this business how they went through the pandemic and）
- `14:10` 等等。從那次談話之後，嗯，我們開始每天能聊上八次（everything and since that conversation uh we did like we were getting eight conversations every）
- `14:16` 。哇。我們接下來兩個月都這麼做，拜訪並和 140 位（single day wow and we did that for the next two months so we went and visited and spoke with 140）
- `14:22` 灣區各地的承包商交談。我們學到非常多，雖然一個客戶都沒有，但我們（contractors uh throughout the bay and we were learning so much like we had zero customers yeah but we）
- `14:28` 還是非常興奮，因為我們獲得了大量洞見。我們和他們的技術人員一起（were like so excited it was like they're getting so much insight we were sitting with their technicians）
- `14:33` 參加培訓，也會跟著他們去做，嗯，工作現場，還會坐在他們的（doing training sessions we were going on um jobs with them we were sitting in their）
- `14:38` 一起跟去工作現場。哇，學生啊，大家都信任學生。那就是我們為期兩個月的，嗯，旅程（join them on jobs wow students like everyone trusts a student that was our like uh two-month journey）
- `14:44` ，在轉型期間找出客戶最痛問題的過程。跟我說說（uh during the pivot phase to figure out our customers most painful problem tell me about）
- `14:50` 這些對話吧。你們從那些老闆身上學到什麼？他們會說「來聊聊，（these conversations what did you guys learn from all these owners that were just like come and talk）
- `14:54` 我帶你們四處看看。」對，嗯，我們學到非常多，了解他們生活中的各種事。我們（i'll show you around yeah um we learned so much like we learned everything about their lives like our）
- `15:00` 第一個問題通常是：「你開車回家時都在想些什麼？」嗯，下班時間過了（first question used to be what are you what are you thinking about when you're driving uh back home post）
- `15:05` 下午五點，你們腦中都在想什麼？」諸如此類。而最大的問題之一是，嗯，他們不想（5 p.m what's going on in your minds and all of this and one of the biggest problems was uh them not）
- `15:11` 在下班後白白損失收入。所謂下班後，基本上是指他們的，嗯，辦公室（basically losing money after hours so after hours basically means that they have their uh office）
- `15:18` 員工會待到下午四、五點。對，下午五點後辦公室就沒人了。但你猜怎麼著？（employees in the office till like 4 or 5 p.m yeah post 5 p.m there's no one in the office but guess）
- `15:23` 緊急狀況一週七天、一天二十四小時都會發生，客戶會打電話給他們，而他們使用，嗯，BPO 和第三方（what emergencies occur 24 7 and customers call them and they were using uh bpos and third-party）
- `15:30` 接聽服務，把工作外包給別人。對，而我們都知道那些服務（answering services that are outsourcing someone else outsourcing it yeah and all of us know they）
- `15:35` 很糟糕、很差勁。對，但它們非常貴。對，所以他們還是只能用這些服務（are like terrible and they suck yeah but they're super expensive yeah so they would just need them）
- `15:40` ，不然像有人家的熱水器壞了，你總不能……對，另一個選擇（otherwise like when someone has a broken water heater like you just can't yeah the alternative）
- `15:44` 就是語音信箱。對，要是你沒接電話，客戶就會直接打給（is voicemail which is yeah and then if you don't answer the call the customer is just going to call）
- `15:49` 下一位水管工，或是去 Google、Yelp 上找人。所以基本上你沒接電話，這個潛在客戶就流失了（the next plumber or google or yelp so it's basically if you don't answer the call that lead is gone）
- `15:54` ，再也沒有機會挽回。當然。所以我們的客戶確實很想解決（like you'll never be able to recover that opportunity of course so our customers were like truly trying to）
- `15:59` 這個問題，他們花了非常多錢在接聽（solve this problem they were spending an extraordinary amount of money on answering）
- `16:03` 服務上。對，如果他們只用語音信箱，可能就代表問題還不夠痛。嗯，所以（services yeah if they were just using voicemail maybe it's not a painful enough problem so um like）
- `16:08` 我們訪談的客戶中，大約 80% 有使用一種接聽服務，每月花大約五到十（80 of our like customers we were talking to had a option and they were spending around five to ten）
- `16:13` 千美元。所以即使你聽到這些，也不能直接走進去告訴他們（thousand dollars a month on this service so even after hearing this you can't come in and tell them）
- `16:20` 用 AI。那樣更離譜，他們甚至不知道那代表什麼（use ai like that's even more crazy to tell them like they don't even realize what that means）
- `16:25` 。而我們所有客戶都在做客戶服務；對他們來說，沒有什麼比（and all of our customers are in the customer service business like there's nothing more）
- `16:31` 客戶與他們互動時的感受更重要。嗯，而這一切從（valuable to them than how the customer feels uh interacting with them and it starts with the）
- `16:35` 一通電話開始。對，所以我們從來不直接提出解決方案，也不想一進門就（phone call yeah so we did not ever present a solution we did not want to come in because we）
- `16:41` 推銷，因為我們學到了教訓：這間辦公室不歡迎 AI。我們就說：「好，沒問題，多跟我說說（had learned the lesson like ai is not welcomed in this office so we were like okay cool tell me more）
- `16:48` 你們想採用的解決方案。」結果聊到最後，每個人都會說：「我沒有解決方案。」（about the solutions you're trying to go and everyone's then leads to like i don't have a solution）
- `16:52` 接著我們會上前說，呃，我們聊到這裡之後，就會回去。（and then we used to come up and say like uh so we were getting this conversation we used to go back）
- `16:57` 大概晚上七、八點到家，然後繼續摸索語音代理。對，所以我們做的就是，呃，我們又會……（home at like 7 8 p.m and we're tinkering with voice agents yeah so what we did was uh we used to again）
- `17:02` 先從他們生活中發生的事聊起；有六成的時候，都是……（start with like anything that's going on in their life it would 60 times it was 60 of the times that）
- `17:09` 我們會聊到接聽服務，接著就會說：「嗨，順帶一提……」（we used to come up to like answering services and then we used to like just like say like hey by the）
- `17:14` 我們是工程師，也很喜歡玩科技產品。」在那之前，我們也會問……（way we are engineers and we love to play with technology and before that as well we had we used to ask）
- `17:19` 「你用過什麼 AI 工具嗎？用過 ChatGPT 嗎？」他們就會說：「有啊，我用它……」（question have you used any ai solutions have you used chat gpt and then they're like yeah i use it）
- `17:25` 寫電子郵件。」我們就想，太好了，他們用過某種 AI 了。接著我們會介紹：「我們是……」（to write emails like great they've used some kind of ai so then we used to present i think we're）
- `17:29` 工程師，整天都在玩 AI。我最近碰到這個 AI 語音，真的讓我……（engineers and we actually play with ai all day and i came across this ai voice which actually blew my）
- `17:36` 大開眼界。你想聽聽看嗎？」他們就說：「好啊，當然。放段錄音來聽聽。」（blew my mind what do you want to listen to that they're like yeah yeah sure let's play a recording）
- `17:41` 他們聽完就說：「太神奇了。」我們接著問：「你覺得這能用在你的生意上嗎？」（and they were like that's magical and it's like do you think you can use this in your business）
- `17:45` 他們說：「可以啊，我想得到一種用法，讓 AI 打電話給我的客戶……」（and they were like yeah yeah i can see there's a use case where the ai can call my customers）
- `17:49` 確認預約，因為這是優先級最低的用途。對，對，也是風險最低的用途。」（to confirm an appointment because that's the lowest priority use yeah yeah is there the lowest risk）
- `17:54` 風險最低的用途。對，我們就想，這真是太不可思議了。呃，你想不想讓我們過來幫你……（from lowest risk yeah we're like that's pretty incredible um do you want us to come in and do）
- `18:00` 做點什麼？他們說：「好啊，如果你們能過來替我們打造這個，那就太棒了。」（something for you they were like yeah that'll be amazing if you can come in and build this for us）
- `18:05` 我們就說：「沒問題。」這就是我們如何得到第一批客戶的。我們從來沒有把……（they're like sure and that is how we got our first set of like customers where we never presented）
- `18:10` 這當成想推銷給他們的解決方案。對，而我們的第一位客戶，呃，基本上是一家……（this as a potential solution we wanted to sell yeah and our first customer uh was basically a）
- `18:17` 位於沙加緬度的公司。接下來三個月，呃，我們都駐在那裡，常常……（company in sacramento uh where we then embedded ourselves uh for the next three months used to）
- `18:22` 每天從舊金山通勤到沙加緬度，在她的店裡工作。對，我們就是在那裡寫下……（daily commute from san francisco to sacramento work from her shop yeah and that is where we wrote the）
- `18:28` 第一行程式碼。我們在舊金山一行程式碼都沒寫，是在一間……（first like line of code as well we never wrote a single line of code in san francisco it was in a）
- `18:34` 水管工店裡寫的。她是那家店的老闆嗎？是，她是那家水管公司……（plumber's shop and she said she was owner of that yes she was the owner and ceo of that plumbing）
- `18:39` 的老闆兼執行長。呃，Marcel Flowers。Marcel 現在加入 Broccoli 了。是啊，她現在在 Broccoli 做什麼？（shop uh marcel flowers marcel and now she's joined broccoli yes what did she do for broccoli today）
- `18:45` 各種事情都有。她基本上是公司的優秀推廣者，呃，也協助影響……（hundreds of things like she is basically a great evangelist for the company um helps influence）
- `18:50` 產品方向，也影響了我們的品牌。呃，現在她基本上也在協助我們處理……（product she's influenced our brand as well um and now she's um basically uh like helping us across the）
- `18:58` 呃，公司的各項事務。這故事真有意思。所以你們當時基本上會往返她的……（uh business this is a really interesting story so then basically you would go back and forth to her）
- `19:03` 辦公室很長一段時間，把第一版產品做出來。那你們推出產品時是怎麼運作的？（office for a long time to build out this first version um how how did it work when you launched it）
- `19:09` 你們怎麼推出的？我記得我會坐在她辦公室裡，整天跟她聊天。（how did you launch it so i remember i used to sit in her office and just talking to her all day）
- `19:14` 對，然後 Adi 會坐在另一間辦公室，呃，專心打造產品的第一版。（yeah and then adi used to sit in another office uh just like building the first version of the product）
- `19:19` 對，我們兩週內就準備好了一個版本。呃，我們接上了他們的 CRM 服務 ServiceTitan，也……（yeah and we had something ready within two weeks uh we had connected to their crm service titian we）
- `19:25` 了解了他們的話術，以及客服中心員工做的所有事情，然後我們就推出了……（understood the scripts the everything that their chill call center employees were doing and we launched）
- `19:32` 兩週內就上線了。我們只在下午五點到七點接電話，呃，接著我們會……（within two weeks and we were answering calls uh from like 5 to 7 p.m only uh and then we used to）
- `19:39` 監聽每一通電話。呃，結果很順利，客戶沒有掛電話，當然還是有一些……（monitor every single call um and it worked like the customers did not hang up of course there were like）
- `19:45` 特殊情況。對，但整體運作順利，那天我們大概約成了三個預約，而他們……（edge cases yeah but it worked we kind of booked three appointments that same day and uh the maximum）
- `19:52` 整個晚上最多約成的預約，我想是兩個。我們卻在……（appointments they had booked uh throughout the night was i think two and we had just booked three in）
- `19:57` 兩小時內約成三個。所以隔天你們的表現……（two hours so the next day you did bat）
- `20:00` 比真人還好。他們每月付給真人五千美元呢。哇。所以隔天……（than the humans the humans that they were paying $5,000 a month Wow so next day）
- `20:06` Marcel 說：「我要取消接聽服務。」我就說：「嗯……」（Marcel she was like I'm gonna cancel the answering service and I was like hmm）
- `20:12` 「這樣太快了吧，也許……」她說：「不不不，先弄清楚。月底我要正式啟用……」（that's too soon maybe no no no figure it out month and I'm gonna go live with）
- `20:16` Broccoli。」那時甚至還不叫 Broccoli，不過她說：「反正我要……」（broccoli it was not even called broccoli back then but yeah I'm just gonna go）
- `20:20` 正式使用 AI。」接著我們又花了一週，然後在……（live with the AI and then we spend another week and then we go live for the）
- `20:25` 整個週末上線，約成了大約十九個預約；而他們以前……（whole weekend and we booked around 19 appointments and previously they had）
- `20:29` 一個週末最多只能約成五個。這確實讓我們相信，AI 或許……（maximum 5 appointments over a weekend so that truly made us believe like AI might）
- `20:36` 真的能成為比他們原本使用的方案好十倍的選擇。接著她……（actually be a 10x better alternative than what they were using and then she）
- `20:40` 基本上只靠……就幫我們從第一位客戶拓展到接下來二十位。（basically helped us go from our first customer to the next 20 just through）
- `20:45` 她的引薦和口耳相傳。因此我們後來再也不用挨家挨戶拜訪了。好，那麼……（her referrals and word-of-mouth so we then never had to go door to door so okay）
- `20:50` 從創業之初到現在，已經過了這麼多年。我開始……（we're now basically all of these years since the beginning I'm starting a）
- `20:54` 創辦公司，而這或許是你們第一次真正體驗到……（company and maybe this is the first time you getting the real taste of product）
- `20:57` 產品市場契合。很多正在看這個頻道的創辦人都在……（market fit like a lot of founders that are watching this this channel are）
- `21:01` 思考：「我找到產品市場契合了嗎？找到了嗎？」你們有沒有某個時刻開始想……（thinking about do I have PMF do I have PMF was there a moment where you thought）
- `21:05` 「好，這真的有用。」有沒有一個特別的時刻，讓你……（about okay this actually is working and like was there a specific moment you）
- `21:09` 覺得：「好，我想這行得通。我想我們會打造一家非常大的……」（felt like okay I think it's working I think we're gonna build a really big）
- `21:11` 公司。」對，我想我們從來沒有。從遇見 Marcel 那天起，一直到今天……（company here yeah I think we never like the day we met Marcel like post that till day）
- `21:19` 嗯哼。我不認為我們曾停下來哪怕十秒鐘，去想……（mm-hmm I don't think we've ever taken even like a 10 second pause to figure out）
- `21:24` 下一波成長會從哪裡來。對，因為我們一直……（like where is the next set of growth gonna come from yeah because we are just）
- `21:28` 被帶進各種對話，也被帶進更大、更多的應用場景。所以我……（being pulled into conversations like pulled into bigger more use cases so I）
- `21:34` 想這或許就是產品市場契合的感覺。然後你還是得……（think that is maybe what product market fit feels like and then again you need to）
- `21:38` 而且你們在公司的每個階段都得持續找到它。接著你們當時是在……（keep on finding it at every stage of the business and then you were in）
- `21:43` 沙加緬度嗎？當時還是只有你們兩個嗎？公司裡還有另一個人……（Sacramento still was it still just the two of you you have one one more person on the）
- `21:46` 嗎？我們在 Telematica 時期就有創辦工程師加入。對。（company so we had we had our founding engineer join us during telematica yeah）
- `21:52` 四年後他仍和我們一起，經歷了我們所有的一切。（and he's still with us after four years he has been through everything with us）
- `21:56` 包括轉型。他會熬夜，因為當時在太平洋時區，所以他……（the pivot he would stay awake at night because this was in Pacific time so he）
- `22:01` 他會整晚不睡，而我們大家都焦急地等著這些（would stay awake at night and we were all like anxiously waiting for these）
- `22:05` 電話接通，接著看看通話中發生了什麼，再把問題修好（calls to go through and then we'll see what happened on the call and then fix the）
- `22:09` 所以他從那時起就一直跟我們一起；不過當時就只有我們三個（thing so he has been with us since then but back then it was just three of us）
- `22:13` 對，我們以前就是這樣工作，Marcel 很困惑，她會說：「你們明明人在這裡」（yeah we used to work as like Marcel was confused like she was like you were here）
- `22:16` 待到晚上九點，隔天早上九點又回來，然後還（till like 9 p.m. and then you come back tomorrow like next day at 9 a.m. and you）
- `22:21` 修那個問題。她就問：「你們都不用睡覺嗎？」我們之後都沒告訴她任何事，直到（fix that problem like you guys not sleep and we did not tell her anything after）
- `22:25` 大概兩個月後，我們才讓她見到 Samil，告訴她他人在印度工作、處理（maybe two months and then we showed her Samil like he was working in India fixing）
- `22:30` 接下來的事情。我們就像輪著二十四小時班一樣，所以當你們……（things for the next we were working as a 24 hour shift so when you were when you）
- `22:35` ARR 達到兩百萬時，公司有多少人在工作？那時兩百萬……（had two million AR like how many people work at the company then two million）
- `22:38` 當時公司大約有十五人，或不到十五人。對，之後你們成長了很多。（B were around 15 people or less than 15 yeah and then you've grown a lot since）
- `22:45` 從那時起，基本上產品大致維持一樣，或者說（then so basically since that moment more or less been the same product or more or）
- `22:50` 做的事情大致相同，只是規模擴大到五百家客戶。客戶不是（less been the same thing just a scale to 500 customers a family customers is not）
- `22:53` 五百個人，而是大約五百家個別店家，其中有些規模很大（500 people it's like 500 individual shops basically and some of them are huge）
- `22:58` 對，所以你們最初推出的產品基本上就是語音代理，也就是（yeah so the initial product that you launched is the voice agent basically the）
- `23:02` 接聽電話、安排服務預約、處理這些事情；不過暖通空調業者還有很多其他……（answer the phones book calls do all this stuff but the HVAC owners have a bunch of all the）
- `23:08` 軟體。對，如果你看看我們的客戶，看看他們現在如何經營（software that they use yeah so if you look at our customers like how they run）
- `23:12` 自己的事業，他們大約會把營收的百分之二花在其他（their businesses today they spend roughly 2% of their top-line revenue on other）
- `23:16` 軟體系統上，例如 ServiceTitan 和 QuickBooks；接著有百分之十五花在（software systems like service titan and QuickBooks and then they spend 15% on）
- `23:21` 辦公室人力上，而 Broccoli 目前自動化了其中前台工作支出的百分之二（office labor out of which broccoli today automates 2% in the front office）
- `23:27` 哇，所以基本上是讓這些公司各自變得更有效率，進而（wow so basically making each of these companies much more efficient which leads）
- `23:33` 讓他們自己成長得更快。這個市場有多大？也就是（to them themselves growing faster and how big is this market like how big is the）
- `23:38` 居家服務這一行，廣義來說，像是暖通空調、水管維修和電工服務（like home services like broadly speaking like HVAC plumbing electricians）
- `23:42` 對，整個技職服務產業規模非常龐大，每年大約花費一點五（yeah so the trades as a whole is a massive like they spend roughly 1.5）
- `23:47` 兆美元，而居家服務基本上是個六千五百億美元的（trillion dollars a year and home services is basically a 650 billion dollar）
- `23:52` 市場。也就是說，美國人每年花六千五百億美元修繕房屋？對，房屋。是的，我（market so we do a US population spend 650 billion a year on fixing our homes homes yes I）
- `24:00` 現在不確定確切數字，不過以前人們常說（don't know the numbers exactly right here but like people used to say the）
- `24:02` 企業軟體市場規模是幾千億美元，而光是這個（enterprise software market is in a couple hundred billion dollars and just this）
- `24:06` 市場就接近一千億美元。對，你們現在最關心的是什麼？（one is close to a hundred billion dollars yeah what's top of mind for you guys）
- `24:09` 你剛才提到，你們預計年底時會達到六千萬（right now you mentioned the beginning that you think you'll end a year at 60）
- `24:12` 美元營收。你們每天開始工作時，會思考哪些事情？（million in revenue what are the things that you guys think about as you go into）
- `24:17` 對我來說，我認為最近最優先思考的事情是（work every day yeah so for me I think the number one thing that I've been）
- `24:21` 在公司裡建立領導團隊，因為我們正在（thinking about is building the leadership team in the company as we are）
- `24:24` 擴大規模，目前大約有七十五人。至於加入工程（scaling over at around 75 people today and for people that join the engineering）
- `24:28` 團隊的人，Adi，你會告訴他們接下來最……（team Adi like what are what are what what are you telling them is gonna be the）
- `24:33` 棘手或最令人興奮的工作是什麼？這個問題問得很好（hardest problems or most exciting things to work on right now that's a great）
- `24:36` 。從工程和產品的角度來看，這就像是……（point so from engineering and like product perspective it's almost when）
- `24:41` 公司規模小的時候，你有一種超能力：只要下定決心，什麼事都能做（you are small you have this superpower of you are able to do anything just by）
- `24:46` 到，對吧？你想要的東西，隔天就應該能實現，因為你有（will right you you want it the next day it should be possible because you have）
- `24:50` 這五個行動迅速、能把事情做出來的人。對吧？但（these five people who can move very fast and just build things out right yeah but）
- `24:54` 隨著公司成長，要服務的客戶變多，就必須建立（as you grow and you you have more customers to serve you have to build）
- `24:58` 相應的架構。所以我們最近積極投入的事情是（structures around it so the thing that we have been working very actively on is）
- `25:03` 工程文化如何影響我們的速度。我們希望（how how does the engineering culture affect our velocity like we want to）
- `25:09` 在保留文化的同時，維持同樣的工程速度和產品開發速度（maintain the same engineering velocity and the product velocity while retaining）
- `25:13` 在文化上，我們希望即使成長到二十，產品仍然是最好的。（the culture like we we want to be the best product still once we grow to 20）
- `25:18` 工程師、五十名工程師，甚至兩百名工程師，Broccoli 仍然是那支（engineers and to 50 engineers and 200 engineers broccoli should be the team）
- `25:23` 定義技職服務未來的團隊。這就是我們的目標，因此（that defines what is the future of trades so that's what we are aiming for so）
- `25:30` 這牽涉很多事情，例如建立團隊文化、建立（that involves a lot of things like building the team culture building the）
- `25:34` 原則。我以前以為亞馬遜那十四項原則是憑空冒出來的（principles I used to think like the 14 Amazon principles just came out of）
- `25:38` ，但你也必須深入思考，事情會如何改變（nowhere but you also have to think very deeply about how things would change）
- `25:43` ，尤其有了 AI 之後，每個人都有那些超能力。你們會怎麼看待（with with AI like everyone has those superpowers how do you think about）
- `25:47` 在公司裡指導新進同事？你怎麼抱持這個目標？你怎麼（mentoring new folks in the company how do you have that intent like how do you）
- `25:51` 教他們像客戶那樣思考？最簡單的方法就是讓他們深入客戶現場（teach them how to think like a customer the easiest way is to embed with a）
- `25:55` 。因此，任何在印度或其他遠端地點加入我們的人，都必須（customer so anyone who joins us in India or anywhere remote they are required to）
- `26:00` 到舊金山來，花些時間和我們的客戶相處，到水管維修店和暖通空調（visit us in SF and spend some time with our customers in plumbing shops in HVAC）
- `26:05` 店裡走訪。這樣他們就會開始像客戶那樣思考。這是很大的（shops because that way they start thinking like customer so that's a huge）
- `26:11` 文化轉變，也有助於擴大這種指導和第一性原理（culture shift for scaling that mentorship that print first principles）
- `26:16` 思考；這些都是我們目前積極努力的方向。我猜想（thinking which we are currently actively working on and I'm assuming that the）
- `26:21` 水管工或電工的工作即將改變，而你們正在著手處理（job of a plumber or electrician is about to change like you are going after the）
- `26:26` 他們不喜歡做的事情，或是後台人員（things that they're either don't like to do or the people in the back office）
- `26:29` 或前台人員負責的工作。如果你是老闆，或許你不會親自接電話（front office are doing and if you're the owner maybe you don't pick up the phone）
- `26:32` 一直都得接電話，但技術人員本身的工作才是主要的（all the time but the job of the technician itself that's like the main）
- `26:36` 他們主要是幫我們修東西。那你覺得這份工作會（thing that they do is like fixings for us well how do you think that job is）
- `26:39` 怎麼改變？如果你盡量放眼未來，或者把所有（gonna change like if you were just like be visionaries and or like take all the）
- `26:43` 現在或未來能用上的技術都納入考量，他們的工作會怎麼、會（all the technologies that is at hand right now or will be at hand like how will how）
- `26:47` 怎麼改變？Broccoli 現在基本上是在自動化那些圍繞著（their job change today broccoli is basically automating the work around）
- `26:51` 主要工作的周邊事務。對，技術人員的主要工作就是到你家裡（the work yeah the main work is for a technician to show up at your homes and）
- `26:55` 把東西修好，但未來的技術人員不會像現在（fix the things but the future technician is not going to look anything like what）
- `27:00` 這樣工作。現在他們得先診斷問題，而你需要（they're doing today today they need to basically diagnose the issue and you need）
- `27:05` 累積大約十到十五年的實際現場經驗，才能成為受過訓練的（like 10 to 15 years of actual field experience in order to become a trained）
- `27:11` 專業人員。我認為 AI 會把這段差距縮短到大約兩年的現場經驗（pro I think AI is gonna reduce that gap to maybe two years of field experience）
- `27:17` 因為你會在身邊擁有一位四十歲資深專家的智慧（because you're gonna have the intelligence of a 40 year old pro in your）
- `27:20` 在耳邊，也能透過眼睛看到你看到的事物，接著 AI 會協助（ear in your eyes like you're gonna see the things and then the AI is gonna help）
- `27:24` 你診斷問題。我們已經看到 AI 在至少（you diagnose that issue as well and we're already seeing a lot of help for at）
- `27:29` 大約百分之二十的問題上提供了不少幫助。有些前沿模型甚至沒有（least like maybe 20% of the issues even some of the frontier models that are not）
- `27:33` 用實際資料訓練過，表現也非常好。更多年輕的（even trained on actual data are performing really well and more young）
- `27:38` 技術人員將能進入這個行業，而不用花上（technicians are going to be able to come into the field without having to spend）
- `27:42` 十年左右的時間，因為現在要入行就是得這麼做（like 10 years being because that's what you have to do to do right now）
- `27:45` 基本上成為專業人員得經歷很長的過程。對，因為這是相當（basically it's like a long process to become a pro yeah because it's a pretty）
- `27:48` 需要技術的工種，你得取得證書、完成認證，光是（skilled trades and you need to go through certificates certifications just a）
- `27:52` 問個技術問題：模型為什麼擅長這件事？你覺得 Open（technical questions why are the models good at this like how do you think open）
- `27:57` AI、Anthropic 或其他公司，是怎麼訓練資料集，讓模型擅長（AI or anthropic or others are training their data sets of like being good at）
- `28:02` 診斷住宅設備的問題？例如，我會說這大多是（diagnosing issues with homes home devices for example I would say most of it is）
- `28:07` 作業流程上的工作。所以家電故障時，這裡面沒什麼玄妙之處（operational work so whenever one of your appliance fails there's no like magic to）
- `28:15` 真的就是要知道那台家電的序號，然後查（it it's literally just knowing what the serial number of that appliance is looking）
- `28:20` 出正確的產品文件，再知道該去哪裡找資料（up the right documentation for that appliance and then knowing where to look）
- `28:24` 這就是知識工作的大部分。對，效率提升的空間就在（that's the that's the most of the knowledge work part yeah this is where the）
- `28:29` 這裡：讓技術人員在現場處理這些事，或許（efficiency gains lie for a technician to do that while they are on field maybe）
- `28:34` 還能在沒有網路時完成。對，這很難，他們得知道去哪裡找到正確的（without internet yeah it's so hard like they have to know where to find the right）
- `28:38` 資料。這就是作業效率低落的原因：他們得（things that's why you have this operational inefficiency of they have to）
- `28:42` 聯絡後勤辦公室，讓服務經理坐下來一步步告訴他們（contact the back office then whereas a service manager would sit and walk them）
- `28:47` 該怎麼做。但如果每個人都能把知識力量握在（through what has to be done but what if everyone had the the knowledge power in）
- `28:52` 放進他們的手機，這就是 AI 為他們解鎖的能力，所以他們仍然最擅長……（their phones that's what AI is unlocking for them so they still are the best at）
- `28:57` 自己的工作，也就是水管維修，對吧？你還是得進到現場做（doing their job which is plumbing right like you have to go in there and do the）
- `29:01` 水管維修，只是現在有一整套很棒的工具，能協助你處理所有（plumbing but you now have this amazing suite of tools that help you with all of）
- `29:07` 作業任務，讓工作效率大幅提升。如果你回想起自己（these operational tasks in a much more efficient way if you look back on your）
- `29:11` 的人生，大約六、七年前你還在念書的時候。假設（kind of life like a six seven years ago when you were still in school like let's）
- `29:14` 我現在處在你當年的位置，看著這段影片，想像自己回到七年前（say I'm in your your shoes watching this and I'm like where you are seven years）
- `29:18` 的你，我該怎麼思考人生？該做出哪些選擇，才能（ago how should I think about my life like like what decisions should I make to）
- `29:22` 盡可能做出正確的決定？對，我想最簡單的答案是（hopefully make the right decisions yeah I think the the simple answer is like you）
- `29:28` 搬去舊金山，然後一定要申請 YC。這是我（just need to move to San Francisco and then definitely apply to YC that's my）
- `29:32` 最簡單的答案。至於比較認真的說法，則是（simplest answer because they like not like the serious version is also more）
- `29:38` 要靠近你的客戶。就這樣。如果你的（around like you move towards your customers that's it like if your）
- `29:40` 客戶在這裡，你就來這裡。對；如果客戶在挪威，你就去（customers are here you come here yeah your customers are in Norway you go to）
- `29:44` 挪威。對，這樣你就能找到所有答案。我們（Norway yeah and you're gonna get all the answers one of the questions we）
- `29:46` 有時在 YC 的團體辦公時間會問：「你們的內在（sometimes ask in group offices YC is like basically what's your intrinsic）
- `29:49` 動機是什麼？遇到困難時，是什麼促使你們繼續做這件事？」事情（motivation what motivates you guys to do this when things are hard things are）
- `29:53` 現在大概很難，但也是一種好的挑戰。是什麼推動你們？你們看起來像是（probably hard but in a good way right now what motivates you to do this you seem like）
- `29:57` 真的要打造一家非常大的公司，大概會有（you're in fact to build a very large company we'd probably）
- `30:00` 數千名員工。幾年後，也許有人會回頭看這段（thousands of employees and um someone will go back in like a couple years and look at this）
- `30:04` YouTube 影片，而這是你們第一次真正向全世界談論你們（youtube video and this is the first time that you guys are talking to the world really about what）
- `30:08` 正在做的事。他們想知道你們為什麼要做這件事。你們會怎麼（you're doing and they're trying to understand what why are you guys doing this like how do you）
- `30:14` 回答這個問題？對我來說，內在動機來自解決真實世界中的（answer that question yeah for me the the intrinsic motivation comes from solving a very real world）
- `30:21` 問題。我們今天做的任何決定或採取的行動，我都能親眼看到它們在現場造成的影響（problem so anything that we decide today or we do today i can really see the the effects on the field）
- `30:28` 就在隔天，呈現在技術人員手中。能知道自己（in hands of a technician like right next day uh that's a very satisfying feeling to have that you）
- `30:34` 正幫助某人更有效率地完成工作，而且是在實體、真實世界的（are helping someone do their job in an efficient way and that too in a physical like a real world）
- `30:38` 情境中，這種感覺非常滿足。第二件事就是和朋友一起打造東西，這是很棒的動力來源（scenario and the second thing is just building something with friends uh that's a great motivator）
- `30:47` 對我來說，因為即使有不順的一天，隔天醒來時，心中仍有那幅長遠的願景：我們（for me because you might have bad days but the next day you wake up with the long-term picture that we）
- `30:52` 正在做這件事，而最終會讓世界變得好得多，為（are doing this and the end state of this is going to be such much a much better world uh for for）
- `30:59` 每個人帶來更好的世界。還能和朋友一起做這件事，還有什麼比這更好的呢？對，我（everyone and you get to do this with your friends what's what's a better way to do it then yeah i）
- `31:04` 同意這兩點，而朋友這件事其實是最重要的。還有（agree with both these lines and the friends thing is actually like the most important thing um and）
- `31:09` 第二件事是，我想不到自己還能做別的事，真的沒有其他事我（the second thing is like i don't see myself doing anything else like there's literally nothing else i）
- `31:13` 能做。所以即使事情難得要命，我也不想醒來時覺得沒有別的選擇。我能不能去（can do so even if it's like shitty hard i don't want to wake up like there's nothing else can i go and）
- `31:19` 再去 Adobe 或 Meta 工作？絕對不要。答案很簡單，就是我沒有其他（work for adobe or meta again like hell no so the answer is very simple it's like there's nothing）
- `31:25` 事可做，所以我們就會繼續做下去。Adi 和 AJ，非常謝謝你們，這真是（else for me to do so we're just going to keep on doing this adi and aj thank you so much this）
- `31:30` 一場很棒的對談。是啊，謝謝你們邀請我們。（was a great conversation yeah thanks for having us）